dear_mralley ([info]dear_mralley) wrote,
@ 2004-09-27 14:10:00
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Dear Editor,

Paul Alley's letter (SOAP OPERAS OFFER STRAIGHT WOMEN A BETTER SHOW THAN SHOWTIME'S 'QUEER AS FOLK' - Sunday, September 26, 2004) regarding female sexuality put me in a rather confused situation today. For a moment I thought I was the embarrassing cousin of the straight female population - one of the so-called minorities that found boy-on-boy action arousing. I had one of those moments where I sunk low into my computer chair, willed myself invisible to my work colleagues, and stared into the abyss of my black coffee. I had reverted back to a woman who had never read Nancy Friday's 'My Secret Garden' - a woman that believed her sexual desires were all wrong.

Happily, this was short-lived. Because Mr Alley is a man, and why on earth would a man know better than I the nature of my own sexuality? Or, indeed, the reality of many women's sexuality. Perhaps Paul Alley would like to speak to my friends and I about what really turns us on? Or perhaps he would like to read some of the millions of gay erotica stories (affectionately known as slash), written by women of all ages and nationalities, that depict explicit gay sex.

There was a time when women weren't supposed to have sexual fantasies and desires. I thank the gods every morning that it is no longer the case. But I still have to wake up to a world where men tell me my sexual fantasies are not 'normal', and a world in which men presume to know better than a woman her own sexual desires. We should have moved on from this by now, we really should.

This letter was written by one straight woman, but the sentiment holds true for many women around the globe that Paul Alley has successfully offended with his arrogance. I have asked them to sign this letter and show Mr Alley, and the many other men like him, that straight women like gay sex...they are aroused by it...and that they are not afraid to say it out loud.

Sincerely,

Claire D
England

If you wish to sign this letter, please leave a comment stating your name (full name if possible please), where you are located, and any comments you have for the editor/Mr Paul Alley.

Edited to add: You may sign the letter without logging in if you wish, but you must comment with your name or your signature will be deleted.



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[info]laura_iskra
2004-09-27 06:48 am UTC (link)
Claire couldn't express better my own thoughts: no man can decide what pertains to woman sexuality, or state what will or won't turn on female human being.
I've found it presumptuous and arrogant and a little insulting for all the woman who, like me, are turned on by boy-on-boy actions.

Sincerely,
L. D'Alfonso (Italy)

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[info]rosi_smaabu
2004-09-27 06:57 am UTC (link)
I completely agree with Claire. I don't appreciate being told, by a male no less, that there is something wrong with my female sexuality.
If this man knew me, or if I was hurting anybody, I could understand him expressing concerns regarding this. He doesn't, however, and nobody's being hurt by my sexuality, and I'm apalled that Mr Alley can so carelessly state that I'm wrong in being turned on by boy-on-boy action.

The only thing that could serve as a small excuse for this, was if Mr Alley right now was working on his article on straight men NOT being turned on by girl-on-girl-action.

Sincerely,
R.Berg, Norway

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[info]maya_slash
2004-09-29 05:10 am UTC (link)
Considering the number of lesbian porn out there watched entirely by straight men, I wish Mr Alley luck in proving his point. He's going to need it in ample quantities.

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[info]darkened_winter
2004-09-27 07:09 am UTC (link)
I have to agree with Claire. Believe me, there is nothing wrong with my sexuality and I find it odd that a MAN would believe he's an expert on what women do and don't find erotic.

Sara King

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 07:26 am UTC (link)
'Female sexuality just doesn't work that way'. Paul Alley.

On the contrary, Mr. Alley. It works that way too.

M. Ek, Norway.

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[info]sparklinblossom
2004-09-27 07:46 am UTC (link)
I find it odd that this is another case of men saying that they are now able to completely understand women.
Mr. Alley obviously missed several 'Women's sexuality' classes, as he so blatantly showed his lack of understanding when it comes to what turns women on.
If men find the thought of two lesbians arousing, who is to say that it isn't the same for women. After all, gorgeous bodies are gorgeous bodies.

Also, at least women seem to have some sort of grasp that gay men really have no interest in women; while men still have to fathom the concept of lesbians not wanting to 'do' men.

Now tell me, who looks smarter in this situation?

Mr. Alley, you may want to ask some modern women about things before you write an article; it may help prevent people from thinking that you are still living in the Dark Ages.

K. Albers
Pennsylvania, USA.

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 07:50 am UTC (link)
Mr. Alley:

I would never presume to tell you what you find arousing, what you should find arousing, or what would be normal for you to find arousing. Please do not dare to do the same for me or for any of the other straight women who find M-M intercourse and intimacy highly titillating. You are not a woman, you will never be a woman, and you cannot possibly know what arouses us and why.

In fact, many of us like Queer as Folk despite irksome soap opera-ish plots, because of both the talent of its cast and the fact that we find the show erotically arousing.

Next time you want to know how we feel as straight women, please invest the years of your life to become a transgendered individual. Either become one of us or don't speak for us. Thank you.

Amber Aubry
Newark, New Jersey

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[info]teisfortiger
2004-09-27 08:02 am UTC (link)
Mr Alley

Do not presume to tell me what turns me on. 'Female sexuality just doesn't work that way'? Buddy, have I got news for you. It so does work that way. Get a clue.

Lucille Aubé
N.B. Canada

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[info]anamchara
2004-09-27 08:14 am UTC (link)
As with everyone here, I found Mr. Alley's assertions presumptuous and blatantly misinformed. I am a straight woman who finds gay erotica to be highly stimulating and arousing. His arrogant umbrella statements about women and their sexuality are demeaning to women as a whole, for how could he possibly know what turns us all on? With his response, he has attempted to pigeon-hole women, placing us all in a box so he can understand. Unfortunately, in this day and age, women aren't allowing themselves to be categorized so strictly or easily. We are proud of our sexuality and those things that turn us on. The truth of the matter is that male/male "action", such as that seen on Queer as Folk, is just one of those things that women find arousing.

Erin Vance
Georgia, USA

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[info]twistinside82
2004-09-27 08:31 am UTC (link)
I couldn't have put it better myself.

Liz Koetting
Wisconsin, USA

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 09:07 am UTC (link)
As surprising as it might seem to some straight men, women do find gay men, and gay men having sex, arrousing. To be frank, I have yet to be told by any straight women that she does not find it at least pleasent, if not down right hot. I actually have a friend who's homophobia was "cured" when she realized how appealing gay sex is to her. Thousands of straight females around the world watch, enjoy and discuss gay sex, on Queer as Folk or elsewhere, quite a lot.

S. Peleg
Israel

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 09:18 am UTC (link)
You are so outdated and wrong Mr. Alley. That's all I'm goona say now

Rea Nieminen, Finland

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 09:23 am UTC (link)
The only reason I don't watch Queer as Folk is because I don't have cable, let alone any pay channels. And I don't care for soap-opera type plotlines in general. I am female, and I find male-male sex incredibly erotic.

I think you'll find that YOU are in the minority here.

Regards,
Nancy Spinella
Pennsylvania, USA

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[info]miladyhawke
2004-09-27 09:48 am UTC (link)
Of all the Victorian attitudes. *chuckle* Thanks for the laugh, Mr. Alley; you're estimation of women's sexuality was indeed good for that. However, no self-respecting woman in their right mind, in this day and age, will seriously listen to a man attempting to box their interests and desires.

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[info]tati
2004-09-27 10:01 am UTC (link)
Mr Alley,

like many others here i found your presumptions very wrong. i personally wouldn't start a debate or discuss something i know little about. actually, that's a rule of mine and, with all due respect, i'd strongly recommend you to get this habit.

Clearly the majority of women are not seriously aroused by scenes of sex between men. Female sexuality just doesn't work that way.

well, thank you for the most amusing remark i've read lately *snort* i don't have much to add really, everything was perfectly worded and explained to you quite clearly by all the others. wake up and live today.

Tatiana Poshetnyova,
Russia

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[info]chelsea193
2004-09-27 10:15 am UTC (link)
Dear Mr. Alley,

It's time to realize women are so much more than only what your imagination can handle.

Susan Langdon
Ontario, Canada

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[info]jezer_hara
2004-09-27 10:21 am UTC (link)

Dear Mr. Alley,

you claimed that
Clearly the majority of women are not seriously aroused by scenes of sex between men. Female sexuality just doesn't work that way.

Even if you are right with your first sentence(which is absolutely possible) this doesn´t tell us anything about the minority of women (naturally, the majority of the worldwide female population does or can not watch QAF), nor does it in any way explain the difference you see between the men being turned on by lesbians and the women by gay men. Therefore your unproven pretension doesn´t have any value in its context.
Your definitely wrong with your generalizing second sentence, because yes, my sexuality works that way, and works well, and I´m pretty sure I´m female. As all my female friends being aroused by men on men sex are.
Even worse, it encourages naturalistic mis-conclusions telling female readers they shouldn´t be aroused by sex between men. A mother stating that "a good girl doesn´t eat with its fingers" doesn´t tell a social rule just for fun, she wants her daughter to stop doing so without telling her why or provoking a discussion.

Furthermore, I feel insulted by your claim that women in general like an "indulgent kind of storytelling", denying us a sense of reality in literature and media and reduce us to people needing fairy tales.

L. Rohrbach,
Germany

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 10:55 am UTC (link)
The misogyny in Paul Alley's letter was disturbing. Mr. Alley is telling us that a man's sexual desires will always be greater than a woman's, that women need a heavy dose of sentimental rubbish with their erotica, and that we don't know what we like.

I don't know anything of Mr. Alley's sexuality. I could leap to the conclusion that he is heterosexual, as he has leapt to many a conclusion about me, but it really doesn't matter. Regardless of his orientation, his contempt for women is clear.

If Mr. Alley were to ask around, he might be startled to find that most women of his acquaintance appreciate "hot male/male action" every bit as much as he enjoys looking at female models with breast implants and six inch acrylic fingernails playing at being lesbians.

If he were to go to google and type in "slash fiction," he would get 419,000 matches. Then he might be forced to wonder why the keywords for homo-erotic fiction, written by women for women, turn up so many results.

And he would probably suffer an aneurysm if he were to learn that a great many of the female fans of male/male porn are gay women.

Aw, heck, I'll break it to him: Female sexuality is a lot more complex than he thinks. He should stop judging women by his own pedestrian tastes. I'll try to return him the favor.

Rayma Lunetta
California


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[info]elekanahmen
2004-09-27 11:18 am UTC (link)
I agree completely with what my friend, Claire, has said. In fact I'd like to take a step further and say it's not even straight women who find themselves turned on by it. I am a lesbian, no question about it. I would never, ever have sex with a man, but is that to say that I'm not aroused by the images of two beautiful men doing what is most natural to them? Of course not. It's a beautiful thing and should be appreciated as so. If it doesn't turn me on, then I'd like Mr. Alley to explain to me why watching or reading gay erotica makes me blush, sweat, and even climax when it's just that good. Is that not sexual arousal? Has Mr. Alley ever been inside of a woman's body or mind? Or did he simply ask the ladies at the local church crusade if they were turned on by homosexual erotica. Mr. Alley needs to not speak as if he knows what he means because, clearly, he doesn't know anything at all about the female libido.
Yours,
Jackie from Ohio, USA

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 11:19 am UTC (link)
Well, Mr Alley, there are as many things that sexually arouse women as there are women. In fact, everybody, regardless of gender, age, ethnic and social background or sexual orientation, has his or her very own way of getting the most pleasure out of erotic activities. As long as nobody gets forced into something I can't see anything wrong with this.

Your letter shows me, and all the others who have signed this, that our society still has to fight stereotypes about women, and I am glad to be in the company of people who are willing to put their energy into that fight.

M. Hueser, Germany

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 11:45 am UTC (link)
Dear Mr. Alley,

I don't know how to congratulate you for helping women realise they do NOT think that way. I don't know how but all these years I could have sworn me being a female, I personally would have known what made me tick, what arouses me as a woman etc. But you, as a man, have opened my eyes and showed how I SHOULD think. You clearly know how millions of women think, despite not being one yourself, but you are obviously an expert on all things female.

Again, thank you for your wisdom.

Regards,

CC Yuen
Netherlands

/sarcasm.

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 01:03 pm UTC (link)
I agree with everything that has already been stated here. It is obvious that you are the one who doesn't understand how things work, Mr. Alley. Men are obviously turned on by watching girl-on-girl action - why shouldn't women have the same reaction to guy-on-guy? Or is that just too much for you to handle?

You are not a woman, so you can never possibly understand how a woman's mind or body work. You cannot tell us it is wrong, or abnormal, to be turned on by watching or reading about two guys. I think you just find it a bit too much to accept that in this day and age, women can have sexual fantasies too - it is not always what men want anymore.

I once read an article about slash. The author said something about the fact that writing slash gives women the oppertunity to control men's bodies, the way men have been controlling women for years. And this is exactly true. Women have lived too long as sexual objects for men. Writing slash indeed allows us to control men's bodies, and if we enjoy this, these is no problem with it. I am proud to be a part of those women who are not afraid to stand up for their fantasies or sexual preferences.

Mr. Alley, I do not watch QAF simply because my TV has three channels, and I cannot afford to buy the DVDs. If I had the money, I would be watching these movies just like everyone else. As it is, I am content with reading slash on the internet. And it is not only for the gay sex - or the turn-on - that we read or watch these types of stories. Pointless porn is one thing. Real stories - with gay men who care about each other and (dare I say it?) love each other - are completely different. These stories are beautiful, something amazing, just as any love story can be.

There are thousands of women around the world who feel the same way I do, Mr. Alley. You had better get the facts straight before you start making assumptions. That's all I have to say.

Oh yeah. And thanks for giving me a good laugh. I needed that.

Liz
Canada

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[info]starryelle
2004-09-27 01:52 pm UTC (link)
Mr Alley, how can you pretend to know anything about straight women or their sexuality when you are clearly confused on this point? Qaf is one of the best shows out there right now, and it is overwhelmingly better than a soap opera. Also, Gale Harold and Randy Harrison are two of the hottest guys in the world. How dare you call the actors from this ground breaking and very entertaining series "disappointing at best"? I think you seriously should have your head checked, or at least make sure you know what you're talking about when you write something like that.

Sincerely,
Elle Rossier
New Jersey, US

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[info]abraxas_life
2004-09-27 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Clearly the majority of women are not seriously aroused by scenes of sex between men.

Oh you gave me quite a shock there Mr Alley. I laughed rather raucously as soon as the shock wore off. But brief shock was definitely my first reaction.

Mr Alley, would you prefer we refer to you as Ms. Alley? Because obviously, you must secretly be a women, right? You wouldn't dare make such a statement without proper research. That just wouldn't be very professional.

~L.A. Padilla , Florida

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[info]ellel
2004-09-27 03:47 pm UTC (link)
Needless to say that I agree with the letter Clair wrote and all the comments above.I have something to add:
Next time,Mr.Alley,before you decide what is best for women to watch and what should turn us on-please,learn more about the subject before you insult hundreds of thousands(maybe even millions)of women around the globe,by declaring that there is something wrong with their sexuality.Personaly,I've seen a blatant affront to me and many women I know in your letter.Men know very little about what women want,need or about our desires-which was again proved by your letter.
Female sexuality is complicated.In fact it's tied up with as many things as there are letters in "complicated".But I'm not going to get into that,simply because there are many studies,written by professionals that will explain that much better than I will.
Straight men obsessed by girl on girl action is an old story-straight women obsessed by man on man is relatively new.
"Relatively"-only because there was no show before QAF,that could bring that out in such masses.
QAF ratings-almost 60% of the viewers are women,straight or lesbians.
Men will just have to learn to deal with and accept the fact that women love watching gay sex.

Elle from Israel

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[info]cheezer08
2004-09-27 03:48 pm UTC (link)
I personally would like to know how Mr. Alley knows what goes on in my head when I don't know sometimes.

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